Why I don’t want women to become ‘equal to men’

Written by Jessica Eaton

04 August 2018

 

We need to stop saying that women want to be equal to men – or that we are striving for women to be seen as the ‘same as men in society’.

 

After many a frustrating conversation with people who have somehow managed to mix up egalitarianism, equalism and feminism, this blog feels timely.

There’s only so many times we should have to explain that feminism is NOT a movement to make women equal to men. Feminism undoubtedly means different things to different people, but can we stop watering it down now? The dumbing down of feminism has gone too far in the third wave. I have heard feminism defined as everything from ‘the belief that all people are equal’ to ‘feminists believe that women should be the same as men in society.’ What? Nah.

Feminism is not ‘for the equality of all people’. Feminism is not ‘the belief that women should be treated the same as men.’ Feminism is not ‘the movement to make women equal to men in society.’ Feminism is not equalism.

Feminism is the liberation of women and girls all over the world from the patriarchy and misogyny that continues to harm and oppress them as a class of people. Feminism centres women unflinchingly and unapologetically. Feminism is the conversation about women’s issues in the world; without having to add some tokenistic sentence at the end acknowledging that men also experience some things too. Yah, we know. But we are talking about women right now, so hush.

The problem with saying that we are working towards women becoming equal to men is that it frames men and male cultures as being the optimum culture or the ideal goal that women should reach to become equal.

I’m here to say: what a crock of shit.

For women to be valid, whole human beings in society – feminism has got to move beyond this notion that women are striving for what men already have. I don’t want anything men already have. None of it. It’s a mess.

If we take modern men and male experiences as the ‘goal’ level for women to achieve in personal life and society, what would success look like?

  • Would success mean that women’s suicide rates rise to the same levels as the male suicide rate because as women reach ‘equality’ they must follow the patriarchal value of eradicating ‘feminine’ emotions and expressions, including talking about their feelings and seeking help?

 

  • Would success mean that women’s cancer mortality rates rise to the same rates as men because as women finally reach the almighty peak of maleness, they also stop seeking help for medical issues because of embarrassment, and just like men do now; they begin waiting until a health problem has become unbearable before they seek help, meaning cancer has usually spread and is more complex to treat?

 

  • Would success mean that women significantly increase their rates of violent crime and interpersonal violence to match that of men around the world?

 

  • Would success mean that women increase their murders of their partners and ex partners by at least 200% to match the rates of women killed by male partners and ex partners each year?

 

  • Would success mean that women increase their rates of sexual violence, trafficking and exploitation of men and boys at an unprecedented rate never before seen in history to achieve ‘equality with men’?

 

  • Would success mean that women become the most likely group to die in gun and knife violence with other women all over the world?

 

  • Would success mean that women working in aid roles begin abusing, sexually assaulting and sexually exploiting boys in deprived areas to match the male role model we currently have?

 

  • Would success mean women in power developing regimes in which baby boys were murdered or aborted because no one wanted a son?

 

  • Would success mean that women must begin carrying out many more terrorist acts and mass murders all over the world, especially school shootings – to claim equality with the men?

 

Is this what we mean by ‘feminism is the movement to make women equal to men’? Or when we say this, do we just mean the ‘good’ bits like higher salaries and more power in society?

It’s not. This is the stuff of nightmares. No one wants this. Even people who claim to hate feminism and claim that women should be equal to men in all arenas don’t REALLY want to see this level of sex equality. No one wants this in the world. No one wants women to step up to match what men already have.

I don’t think we’ve thought through this whole ‘we want women to be equal to men’ thing. I don’t think we have realised that we have framed male issues and experiences as the goal we are all supposedly striving for, and what that would actually mean for us all. All sorts of people hark on about how women finally being ‘the same as men’ in society would mean that we were respected, paid higher wages and would be safer. It’s bollocks.

The reality is, we cannot assume that what men in have society is the standard we should be striving for as women. Men are miserable and harmed daily by the patriarchy – they just haven’t figured it out yet. Men’s rights activists kick off on twitter about male suicide rates but don’t look into the way male gender role stereotypes they support; are harming them every day. Campaigns argue that men and boys are also victims of rape and that is absolutely true – but do not admit that the vast majority of perpetrators of those crimes are men. Activists argue that men are significantly more likely to be killed in violence than women which is also correct – but the fact that more than 97% of violence and murders are committed by men seems to escape them. I’ve even seen campaigns from men’s rights activists arguing that family courts are biased against fathers and men – and there is some truth in that claim – but to them I say this:

The laws about family court weren’t written by women. The legislation about children remaining with their mothers was not signed off by women. The majority of all judges are men. Legislators were men. Policymakers were men. The research that the majority of family court attachment and bonding theory was based on came from JOHN Bowlby. A man. A lot of the legislation and policies were developed in a time where men were the breadwinners and women were the childrearers. It made sense to the men in power that women should take care of the babies and men should go out and do important man things. Nowadays, MRAs are positioning that as ‘reverse sexism’ – but actually, its a legacy from the patriarchy. The assumption that you wouldn’t want to play an active part in your kids’ lives, dreamt up, supported by, signed off by and judged by your fellow patriarchal family court judge. Think about it. Women were not in influential positions at the time these systems were being developed. Women did not orchestrate these patriarchal systems. Men did.

All of the things wrong with society at present (and all of the things that even MRAs hate about society), were created by, funded by, legislated by, demanded by, invented by and sold by men. Therefore, why should feminism support a movement of women ‘becoming equal to men’? In fact, why should we be using male experience and cultures around the world as a blueprint at all?

There is something important to be said here. Feminism is the movement towards liberation of women and girls from the oppression and control of the patriarchy – but actually, the real change will come for the world when we rise up and dismantle the patriarchy together. The destruction of patriarchal and misogynistic values benefits everyone.

As a woman who is proudly radical feminist, is a specialist in the psychology of sexual violence against women and girls – but is also the Chair and Founder of the first male mental health and wellbeing centre in the UK, serving around 150 men per month – I can see that the patriarchy is killing all of us.

Men come into our centre having been abused, neglected, sexually exploited, having suffered with mental health issues and lived in misery for decades and they sit in front of us and say ‘I thought I should just shut up and put up – be a real man and not ask for help.’ Men so harmed by gender role stereotypes that they cry in therapy and then apologise for crying because it means they are not a ‘real man’.

The best way I have found to explain it to people is that the patriarchy harms men, but oppresses women. Often times, men hear us talk about the patriarchy oppressing, killing and dehumanising women – and when we say ‘patriarchy’ they hear ‘all men’. Hence the annoying phrase NAMALT (not all men are like that!).

My view, is that if men could detach themselves from the patriarchy and see how it harms them and makes them miserable, they would stop fighting against feminism as a movement. However, and this is important, it does mean that we have to actively challenge the warped current wave of liberal feminism which oftentimes completely contradicts itself and props up the patriarchy in a number of concerning ways. Not least by claiming that these gender role stereotypes are real, innate qualities and not social constructs that harm us all.

To explain how the patriarchal values of our world harm men and women, I’ve made this handy table:

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The point is this:

Men are not the blueprint.

The current epidemic of male violence cannot be the standard we all strive for. Men are coerced into, are propping up and are being harmed by patriarchal values. They don’t have it right. We should not be trying to emulate that. We should not be striving to become equal with men in their patriarchal misery – we should be challenging and dismantling the patriarchy and its global values until we can revolt.

True change in the world will only come with revolution. Revolution is not possible if we perceive male privilege and male experience as the ‘goal’ women should be working towards in the world. We don’t want to be the ‘same as men’. Why would be want to replicate a broken system? Why would we work towards total misery and increased violence?

I don’t know about you, but my vision for women is not that we become more violent, more misogynistic, more miserable, less able to speak about our emotions, less able to seek help, more likely to bully each other for ‘feminine traits’ and so confused that we begin celebrating the same toxic masculinity that is harming us every day.

That’s not my feminism. That’s not my vision for us all.

Imagine for a second, if we did dismantle the patriarchal beliefs and cultures centuries of male power have created for us. A world where men can show their emotions without worrying that someone will call them the ultimate insult: a woman. A society where women are not objectified as sex toys to be used up and thrown away when they get older or imperfect. A world in which teenage boys are not having to visit therapists and doctors about their erectile dysfunction and addiction to porn. A society in which rape isn’t a constant threat to women and girls all over the world – and a joke told about men in prison. A life in which men can participate and enjoy parenthood in equality with the mothers of their children because they believe their role is just as important. A workplace where a pregnant woman isn’t managed out of her job because she is perceived as unreliable – but where a man whose wife is pregnant is promoted for becoming a ‘responsible family man’. A world where women can become the main breadwinners and not make men feel insecure about it. A community where men can stay at home with the kids admiring the tenacity of the mother of his kids who rakes in the cash in a job she loves.

A world where the patriarchy no longer controls women, kills female babies because they were unwanted, hacks off vulva and clitoris of women, revels in porn, excuses everything with rape myths, positions ‘woman’ as the ultimate insult to men, sells women’s bodies and denies women the right to healthcare and advice about their own reproductive systems.

True feminism is revolution. Feminism is the liberation of women from the values and systems of the patriarchy. Feminism is the movement to challenge and dismantle the patriarchy, raising new generations of humans that do not fall into the same tropes we have. Feminism is not about centring men in our discussions or our events – but feminism will inevitably support men to be healthier and happier.

I don’t want to be ‘equal to men’. I want to rip up the blueprint and smash up the patriarchy and start again with our new generations. I want us all to take a step back, breathe and realise that the patriarchy harms all of us, and claiming that feminism is about women working towards being ‘the same as men’ in society is us moving in the wrong direction. And yet, the patriarchy in power are scared of women becoming more networked and more influential – because they know it will dilute the power of the patriarch.

With all the harm done to men by the patriarchy, I find myself asking men – what are you clinging on to it for? What is it about feminism that scares you? What is it about femininity that makes you feel so insecure? What do you stand to lose if we one day break down the patriarchal powers in the world?

Once we can answer those questions honestly and with integrity, we can take the first steps to breaking down the patriarchy and the patriarchal values, myths and messages being communicated all over the world.

 

Written by Jessica Eaton

Founder of VictimFocus http://www.victimfocus.org.uk

Tweet @JessicaE13Eaton

Email Jessica@victimfocus.org.uk

429 thoughts on “Why I don’t want women to become ‘equal to men’

  1. At least most women in the past were real ladies and very old fashioned which made it very easy for a man to meet a woman back then with no trouble at all either. And today most women are just so very horrible altogether since a great deal of them have a very severe mental problem too. MGTOW is the much better option for many of us single men now thanks to Feminism.

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    1. I think perhaps William you are looking at the past through rose coloured glasses. Things were far from perfect. Abuse s took place under the cover of darkness. Young girls were thrown into homes if they misbehaved or gotten
      pr egnant . Anyway single mothers were social outcasts treated with contempt where they had to give their babies up for sdoption.

      Anyway talking of ladies , are the men these days GENTLEMEN?

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      1. Amen! As a woman, the men of these days act like we are simply objects that can be grabbed and touched.

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      2. There cannot be all way GENTLEMEN idea. So which part of humanity you try to convince that they aren’t. Most are. Others are 50|50. And of course there still exist animals, rapists etc.. You cannot change that, we cannot..

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    2. I went MGTOW Monk going on 33 years ago and haven’t touched/been with anyone sense, long before things are as they are today.

      The article as anyone could guess feminist would, points to men to put blaming men for things like abuse a murder. No mention of the fact that women in fact have murdered more human beings male and female than anyone in the history of mankind on the face of this earth through abortion. I’d also like to point out how most of the abuses and rape statistics are reported against men where it comes from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Dtcvqcjc8

      Also if women once had it so hard, were so oppressed abused and mistreated as feminism has convinced them they once were before feminism came about, then why were the men required to remain on the Titanic while the women life boated off to the rest of their futures? Why are men the chosen ones to die in wars, not women? And why would any woman in those male tyrannical days ever have chosen to be with a man? The answer is simple, no feminism implemented through Marxism, was never interested or about equality. Feminism has always been about destroying the nuclear family and it has reached it’s goal through convincing women that man were no good, women are oppressed, and children hinders their freedoms and careers. Feminism has convinced women the past was the opposite and to put their careers ahead of a happy family life, destroy men and take it all.

      Today with the aid of #MeToo feminism and the misandry system in place, men are literally throwing it all down walking off leaving women relationships dating and marriage in mass droves at the rate where icon bridal shops have gone out of business and Vilentine’s Day is know to men as National MGTOW’s Day with all of it spread world wide. My sights are now set on moving to Russia where all but the word feminism itself is criminalized and for a very good reason so at least I can gain a little bit dignity as a man since Asia and Russia have become a western world thing for men to escape the misandry of feminism.

      And speaking of Asia, it is China that kills female babies, something I would never approve of. For the record I never wanted boys, I have always wanted a little girl all my life I did, if I could have I afforded to I would have loved to have had a 100 of them. Yet I have none since hypergamy and feminism took relationships and marriage off the table and feminist choose to put their babies to death even at full term . And I wonder if the writer of this blog supports abortion.

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      1. “No mention of the fact that women in fact have murdered more human beings male and female than anyone in the history of mankind on the face of this earth through abortion.”

        Animal mothers in nature do not have to abort their offspring where they have land to live on.

        In law [written by males and transgenders] children must receive 24 hour care. If you forced this on female animals both they and their children would starve to death as the mother could not hunt or gather food.

        When legislators of most western countries wrote laws demanding 24 hour care of children they neglected to provide adequate financial assistance for unwed mothers.

        They demanded a service from mainly women taking 24 hours a day of a mothers time and didn’t pay them for providing that service. Essentially male and transgender run governments legislated that mothers would give 24 hours of their time to provide childcare and did not offer realistic pay for that time.
        They must have known this would stop mothers working and keep women poor and begging from husbands for their food and thus easily exploited.

        Governments run by men must have known that if you demand services from people and neglect to pay them then this is actually slavery which mainly women were subjected to by their own governments.
        These laws prevented many women from leaving abusive or cheating partners and maintained the luxury hotel lifestyle women were providing free of charge to men.

        The necessity to provide unpaid household domestic services for children coupled with unpaid and enforced 24 hour care of children kept motherhood in the hands of husbands to fund it.

        The effect of all this on unmarried mothers was to force them to abort their babies often because providing all the unpaid services made it impossible for them to provide a decent life or even food and shelter for their children.

        I suggest men like you work to ensure unmarried women are paid for government enforced use of their time so that they are able to feed and house their children instead of having to abort them.

        I suggest you make men pay for the keep of those children in adequate housing with adequate food.
        This should be your mission. Not blaming women for their own government inflicted poverty.

        I suggest you prosecute men who have sex with women they do not intend to support financially if a child comes along.

        You are gutless scum blaming women for their male and transgender government inflicted poverty.

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      2. “No mention of the fact that women in fact have murdered more human beings male and female than anyone in the history of mankind on the face of this earth through abortion”

        Animal mothers in nature do not have to abort their offspring where they have land to live on.

        In law [written by males and transgenders] children must receive 24 hour care. If you forced this on female animals both they and their children would starve to death as the mother could not hunt or gather food.

        When legislators of most western countries wrote laws demanding 24 hour care of children they neglected to provide adequate financial assistance for unwed mothers.

        They demanded a service from mainly women taking 24 hours a day of a mothers time and didn’t pay them for providing that service. Essentially male and transgender run governments legislated that mothers would give 24 hours of their time to provide childcare and did not offer realistic pay for that time.
        They must have known this would stop mothers working and keep women poor and begging from husbands for their food and thus easily exploited.

        Governments run by men must have known that if you demand services from people and neglect to pay them then this is actually slavery which mainly women were subjected to by their own governments.
        These laws prevented many women from leaving abusive or cheating partners and maintained the luxury hotel lifestyle women were providing free of charge to men.

        The necessity to provide unpaid household domestic services for children coupled with unpaid and enforced 24 hour care of children kept motherhood in the hands of husbands to fund it.

        The effect of all this on unmarried mothers was to force them to abort their babies often because providing all the unpaid services made it impossible for them to provide a decent life or even food and shelter for their children.

        I suggest men like you work to ensure unmarried women are paid for government enforced use of their time so that they are able to feed and house their children instead of having to abort them.

        I suggest you make men pay for the keep of those children in adequate housing with adequate food.
        This should be your mission. Not blaming women for their own government inflicted poverty.

        I suggest you prosecute men who have sex with women they do not intend to support financially if a child comes along.

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      1. Said the pathetic loser herself. And very sick women like You have caused this mess in the first place to begin with. And then You have the nerve to blame us men as well. Get a life already.

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      2. Lol.. right?.They never “ go their own way”:They just like to hate on inoocent womxxn
        So very sad.. and pathetic 🙂

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      3. there are a number of men in MGTOW who ARE toxic, NOT because of masculinity ,but because they’ve become misogynistic from early negative experiences-particularly abuse ,abandonment or neglect from unhappy single mothers. these are damaged men who need a shrink, just as most of the rabid extreme feminists do , from THEIR own bad experiences with their fathers at early ages.
        sane men and sane women need to stop this bad and forth gender war before their entire society collapses.

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  2. Agreed. Feminism is not about equality. It is about total absolute power for women. Complete matriarchal control. The ideal male suicide rate for most feminists is 100%

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    1. @George W. Bush Let’s analyze your comment.
      First Sentence: “Agreed.” Cool.
      Second and Third Sentence Sentence: “Feminism is not about equality. It is about total absolute power for women.” You made an argument. Nice.
      Fourth Sentence: “The ideal male suicide rate for most feminists is 100 percent.” Another argument.

      Warrants? Logic? Evidence?

      Conclusion: You are displaying ignorance and bad debate skills with this comment.

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  3. I wonder your thoughts… Current blueprint: society values power and money, the rewards of typical male (biological) traits of competitiveness and aggression. Even within the patriarchy, alpha wins–and always will when money and power is at stake. New blueprint: society values kindness and empathy, traits arguably more common to women–also rooted in biology. Power, money: greed, vanity, pride. Kindness, empathy: love and charity. Doesn’t seem hard to argue on philosophical or religious grounds which should be the goal. In the developed world, I’d like to see society embrace biological differences, encourage and respect women who lead in realms based in kindness and empathy–even without the excess power and money. As currently with Scandinavia, I’d say much of the developed world is ready for this. I’d discourage, as you, seeking to make women like men, competing in games they, more often than not, lose–often unwittingly shunning their womanhood in the process. I’d say women inherently embody some of mankind’s best traits: develop them, honor them, don’t ignore them. Broad brush strokes here, talking in generalities, but these are some thoughts as I head into raising my own daughter.

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  4. I do get your point and I respect that, but as a question: Do you respect other women/men who are feminist? And feminists who do believe in equality? Because it doesn’t matter what proof there is, it’s the experience some of us have. But I wonder if you also respect people who are feminist who do want women to be equal as men.

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  5. Also does the journalist here in question , wish to relinquish her rights to men and stay at home raise a family and fade into obscurity????? Suppose it’s personal choice.

    Women in the past had to fight for their rights in order to have the same opportunities as men. Course we don’t mean we wish to acquire the same levels of depression, suicide rates or indeed match their capacity for violence but REMEMBER , women AREN’T exactly alien to these social problems/ issues either.

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  6. Poorly written. Just an enumeration of distorted rhetorical questions. “Would success mean, would success mean, would success mean, would success mean.” The monotony is killing me.

    This seems to be your thesis, which I would respond to directly.

    “The problem with saying that we are working towards women becoming equal to men is that it frames men and male cultures as being the optimum culture or the ideal goal that women should reach to become equal.”

    No, you’re not striving for equality because you internally think that male is optimal. (Or do you?) You’re striving for “equality” because you’re envious of the benefits that man enjoys. But know this, you enjoy the benefits of a woman: those that man does not.

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    1. Spock-excellent points!
      I hold the view that there’s no such thing as “equality” nor is it possible-shy of making everyone equally dead-to ever achieve equality ,save re engineering the entire human race into a genderless androgynous beige/mixed race of clones, with no individual rights ,but as a collective “hive” .
      two different people cannot be equal, any more than apples and oranges are.
      we are all born unequal-physically and mentally, so I say to SJW folks- go ahead and be angry with reality or with “god” , sulk in your Marxist nihilism , or you can make the best of whatever your situation and be as kind as you can to others ,because we don’t have to live forever in this imperfect world anyway.

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  7. “Feminism is the real excellent reason why so many men are still single today.”

    Why would any woman want to marry except because of the male conspiracy of female poverty.

    When rich men used to dump their wives they would often end up as bag ladies living on the streets.

    Women work 7 days a week cooking cleaning but no legal right to be paid for this work. No day off no Christmas holiday. On family and holidays are cooking cleaning 7 days. They must ask their husband for money when they give him a hotel life style 7 days per week. I am being covertly tortured if I speak online. I am being threatened to shut up. I am have been threatened with imprisonment in a mental institution is I speak or take legal action.

    There is so much more to tell but the internet is not free and women will be electronically tortured if they dare tell.
    Are the press cueing up to tell my story. NO

    My name is Cheryl Welch I live in Hamilton NZ, The men and transgender are electronically torturing me to death because I don’t believe in my own slavery. When I’m not being tortured I have one of the most beautiful singing voices in the country but they wont let me sing. Only opportunities for men. Why should we like them. They are cruel selfish people who only abuse, torture and enslave women.

    To me Feminism means I am against domestic slavery of women.

    “Traditional man” is a polite term for a man who believes a woman should provide him with a hotel lifestyle for no pay.

    She gets her food clothes etc like the black slaves in America got. You have to feed your slave so they can continue to serve you. Keeping women poor means you cannot leave. Equal rights were invented for XY Transgender women, not regular XX women.

    Parliaments only have transgender women. TV and much of the internet we see only Transgender women.
    There is a total media blackout on real women. We have no representation, no voice.

    Please remember that I will be tortured severely or killed for writing this. I am a real woman. The writer is not.

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  8. The true definition of feminism is seeking for power in every single shit in women, women just want men to disappear even though without our sperm you’re all nothing just piece of shit
    I am fucking sick of feminine talking about FEMALES RIGHTS the fuck?
    why there is no Men RIGHTS ? we work our asses of 8 h a day to secure food for you and you’re fucking children
    ASSHOLES this what you are

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      1. And low life pathetic losers like you, really are for so many of us men still single today because of your attitude problem. And are you Bi Polar by any chance? Because there are many of these very mentally disturbed type of women everywhere now that i have noticed unfortunately.

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    1. What is it with men trying to victimize themselves in a position of which they are not victims? Men think “equality” is a form of oppression now because they’re so used to being on top.

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  9. i am not a complete fool.
    i make these comments knowing that regular (XX) women will probably never see them or be allowed to read them.

    To “females hater”

    Firstly I notice that my being covertly tortured has not even registered with you.
    That shows what you are and that it is women who are under threat of death not men.

    We don’t want men to disappear from the earth but don’t want to be kept in the slave labor camp of
    marriage which is all about a free hotel lifestyle for men.

    We want our own or shared property and financial opportunities like men have.

    WHAT MEN GET FROM WIVES

    Having someone to cook and clean laundry etc etc etc [not something that female animals provide]
    for you 7 days a week for no pay.

    Having someone To provide 24 hour care of children for no pay, as required by law written by males
    [female animals come and go as they wish] .

    Having the discretion to give that unpaid person money they request or NOT.

    Having the discretion to feed the unpaid woman OR NOT. Many married women currently survive on benefits as
    their husbands don’t feed them. Those women can then be imprisoned for benefit fraud.

    Having the discretion to keep any extra money for himself rather than pay or share money with [your partner?]. .

    Female animals have a right to the food of the earth. They don’t have to beg males for it and become slaves to the males to get food.

    Animal police do not arrive at the door of female animals if they leave the young unattended. The
    police prosecution of women for leaving children unattended means of course that the male heir-
    achy demand 24/7 care of children far above the call of natural motherhood. You want super mommy
    slaves. If you enforce those very high standards you need to either share income equally or pay a
    woman for all the hours you are demanding so they can afford to hire people to give them some time
    off like all male workers get.

    Your husband has stolen your life and is using it to give himself the life of a king with
    servants that he could not afford to pay for.

    The difference is that the King Pays his servants your husband does not pay you.

    Its when the men earn extra that they keep it all for them selves. Its forcing a woman to do all
    the domestic work.
    How much would it cost and how many hours would it take to do the work for a household. None of it
    is nature. I don’t see any female tigers cooking vacuuming cleaning washing shopping etc etc. Its
    all about having a free hotel lifestyle. A life of pure luxury off his wife’s back and giving her nothing except what he wants to give.

    So after her working 7 days for you she has to ask your permission to buy something for herself.
    That is ludicrous. If you tried to get men working under those conditions they would call it slavery. There would be war.

    Men tell me life is not fair so get over it but when men are treated unfairly they are angry and
    they fight.

    They wonder why their wife no longer loves them. They believe she should not be angry regarding
    her financial imprisonment.

    Unfairness and fighting go together. You treat your wife unfairly you will have a marriage full of fighting and anger. That is the way men and women are.

    I have been told by men to get over it and that thats the way it is here that life is not fair etc etc.

    Smile giggle and cojule while they steel your life for their enrichment. The thing is guys, women have never actually liked it. Men have always had to trick or force women into the slave role, wfe, then limit women’s access to money and opportunities to keep women there. Women never actually liked it. So don’t be surprised if after a while your woman doesn’t like it or you and your marriage bed gets very cold indeed.

    The two things in marriage that cause +90% of the fighting are money and who does all the domestic work.
    So its clear that men not paying women and wives not having any legal right to do what they wish to do with their own time and lives causes a lot of fighting in marriage.
    Its clear by this fighting that women do not agree with their own forced unpaid labour.

    When your wife says its not fair, whether sho knows it or not she is a feminist and believes in her own rights. Most husbands believe those women should have no legal entitlements of money for their labor or to time off.

    By not offering women basic rights the men gain a lifestyle of freedom and luxury.

    In times before there were some women’s rights, often the men would not even feed their slave wives. The slave would have to work very hard at home and in the workforce to try to feed herself and children plus keep house. This type of female role is what I call the SELF FINANCING SLAVE.

    African slaves in the US were fed clothed and most often had separate housing. So they had some
    independence. They wern’t expected to provide sexual services for their masters although some of
    the enslaved women were raped and bore children. This of course didn’t happen to male slaves.

    African slaves legally had 1 day off per week. Wife slaves have no such luxury of legal time off.
    I don’t know if African slaves had legal protection demanding food housing and clothing be
    provided but you can imagine that it was in the best interest of the slave owner to provide those
    things.

    I ask you was it OK to be a white slave owner if you didn’t beat the slaves.

    I hear many men moaning that they are a good husband [slave owner] and they don’t beat their wives
    so women should want to marry [enslave herself] them.
    Of course now the beatings have been replaced by covert electronic torture. Men can hold their
    heads high and claim to be non violent.

    I dont think men want to be violent. They want the women to be enslaved without a fight.

    Clean clothing, cooked meals, orderly houses and 24 hour care of children are particular to human
    beings. They require a lot of work and that work should either be payed for, shared equally [a
    Roster], or the man should be legally obliged to share his wage and assets equally with his wife for doing
    that work which gives him and his children a lifestyle that no other animal enjoys.

    That is a lifestyle of luxury that a woman could only dream of. To get that she would have to be
    very wealthy. How much would that cost you from anyone else but your wife (slave)

    Marriage is also sexual slavery. A marriage can break up if a wife does not want to have sex with
    her husband.
    So she is now impoverished or on the streets because her husband now has all assets in his name.
    He didn’t pay her for the hotel lifestyle so she has nothing and her only viable option is to
    remarry.

    It means nothing that she works 7 days per week for him unless he is happy with her sexually and
    in their relationship he can cast her into horrible poverty.

    Lack of financial opportunities for females means the only way they can survive is to go back to
    the slavery of marriage. She must please her slave owner or she will go hungry.

    The men of the earth are now trying to free up land for the animals. The female animals will have
    land at their disposal and will not have to beg the males for food and work 7 days per week for
    the males to get it. They will have access to the land and its fruits which is their birth-rite.

    Human beings have bodies and minds that are purpose built with the ability do develop the earth
    and do a myriad of things.
    The human female is equally capable except for the fact that the males can bash her if she
    refuses him. Men have now developed technology where this can be done in secret and they are using
    it on dissenting females and other women they regard as not being sexually attractive.

    So they now demand that women look perfect and fight for their positions as robotic slaves to meet
    all their needs. They now demand that while cooking everyday women do not put on weight so the men
    can enjoy having sex with the robot. This also means the robot mommy slave is cheap to run.

    So we have the human female used by men as a robot mommy slave. Being ordered by her husband to
    proved his hotel lifestyle in return for her keep. They would prefer it if they didn’t have to put
    petrol [food] in the robot and they could send her out to work while she should be sleeping and this does
    actually happen. Then ofcourse she would be a SELF FINANCING SLAVE.

    To force or trick a woman into domestic and sexual slavery is a disgusting indignity toward one of
    the 2 highest creatures on this earth and men have used domestic violence, threats of starvation
    etc to enforce it. Now they are using covert torture as well.

    Several years ago I was shocked when I read a comment by what I believed to be a female representative in the NZ parliament.

    “If you give a woman money shes off.” She(XX,XY?) was referring to women who leave marriages if they have financial opportunities or are paid. It becomes very clear that our so called representatives are deliberately limiting womens access to jobs (especiall job’s that pay well) and money to force us into domestic slavery to men.
    I know realize that all of the females in parliament are actually transgenders and do not give a toss about natural XX women. They look similar to us but do not represent us.

    To give an example of the real intentions of men toward women in marriage I quote serveral old western sayings.

    A WOMANS WORK IS NEVER DONE.

    [No legal time off]

    WHY BUY THE COW IF YOU CAN GET THE MILK FOR FREE.

    [the self financing slave who provides her own food etc but also does all domestic work]

    BAREFOOT PREGNANT AND IN THE KITCHEN

    [As a female human she must provide 24 hour care for children + domestic services for that child and
    has no entitlement to the fruits of the earth like other female animals, she can then be forced
    into domestic labor cooking and cleaning for no pay just to get food and shelter like the black slaves got in
    America.

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    1. You can simplify what you’re saying, also marriage is a choice, not a forced decision (well used to/middle ages)
      I mean it is a choice to have sex and get pregnant, most of what you are saying is very well on the biased side of the argument without taking into count how there are many men who are cooks and do all of this. You are saying you should get paid for just simply doing a job at home? I completely understand what you are getting at, but this isn’t always true and you are mostly talking about sexual slavery? I mean seriously, do you think all of us men are like that? People have sexual desires however it shouldn’t be put in as all men are abusive and demanding? Not all of us are like that. Just because you think what you say is true, without pointing out other opinions, facts, etcetera. I don’t know what the hell does this mean as stated, “Men have now developed technology where this can be done in secret and they are using it on dissenting females and other women they regard as not being sexually attractive.”. I do not know any of what you are referencing to, and also how, “A WOMAN’S WORK IS NEVER DONE” I mean no one’s work is ever done, sometimes a man’s work is never done as well. Also, this is very rude and not at all a valid argument to use, also blatantly framing us for using your gender as a “robot mommy slave”? None of your references are valid, and most of the things you stated out, are only after a choice, and why would a woman even date a man who acts like that? Not all people are bad and you should know it. Some women are smart and give good debates and etc, however, you are just a person without common sense or knowledge and simply made things up in your mind to use a “valid argument”.
      BTW, “So they now demand that women look perfect and fight for their positions as robotic slaves to meet
      all their needs. They now demand that while cooking everyday women do not put on weight so the men
      can enjoy having sex with the robot. This also means the robot mommy slave is cheap to run.” I enjoy cooking very well and like to do it by myself, I also clean the house myself. I am not what you describe who I am you inhumane person who frames some (not all) people for this and that.

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      1. I am being covertly tortured and gang stalked. I am being given the option to either marry or continue to be tortured in the extreme. Its not much of a choice. On radio I have heard presenters telling women they must date and marry. Jobs for XX women are disappearing and we are seeing a work force of Men and transgenders. Stop talking a load of bull. Trump has made it clear that natural women will not have opportunities in the new order. A guy recently asked me out and said to me that a womans place was with children. I had no interest him after that. I was yelled at by the male torturer of the House across the Street. He said that I was not behaving like a woman. [I was mowing my tiny lawn] Usually when I try to do this I am hit so hard that I end up bedridden for a couple of days.

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  10. I find women have more rights than us or every one is just a sexist and don’t treat men as good sometimes so like the raise of lies about sexual assault but I will be honest women need to be treated better like men assaulting women because men think they can control them that’s got to stop

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  11. This is an incredibly foolish article. Unfortunately, “the patriarchy” formed the world as we know it. It was men who invented cars, discovered electricity, build the great kingdoms that have left their mark on civilization. Men have pioneered nearly all the great innovations. If women didn’t do these things, it was either because they were not educated, or more likely, not interested. If they weren’t educated, it’s their own fault. Women don’t have what it takes to wield extreme power or knowledge. It is rather common knowledge that women are very emotional. Therefore, women are more likely to make a decision based on emotions, while men are more likely to use logic. Which leads me to question, who’s idea was it to let women vote? Or be voted into positions of power? Women have two very special things about them that make them far more valuable than men. They can produce new human life, and they are beautiful. Unfortunately, the feminist movement undermines these two advantages. Take away those to things, and women don’t have anything. Men are stronger, faster, more competitive, and have better critical thinking skills. Men have created a world where women screw up life for everyone by letting women in power make irrational decisions. Because women are so valuable for the continuation of the human race, they should be protected. The problem is, they believe (and are encouraged by men who believe) that they are special for other things. Men are better at everything else. The feminist movement is created a generation of degenerate males and useless females. I pity my generation, who will have to destroy society and rebuild it from scratch to fix the problems that we have let unfit people create.

    As a side note, saying that men have oppressed women on a grand scale is the most sexist thing you can say, as it implies that women are weak and cannot take control; men have to give it to them. I mean, that’s true, but you should not use that argument as a case for feminism.

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    1. My grandmother in the beginning of the 19th century milked cows [biked or
      walked?] 7 miles a day each way to school but she still managed to top her
      whole region for her school “Matriculation” exams. Yes she beat all the
      boys. In those days she was not allowed to go to university and ended up
      as a domestic slave to her husband till he got another woman pregnant and
      she left her husbands farm.
      My father used to tell me that boys were smarter than girls yet it was his
      mother not him who topped the region in Exams.

      “It was men who invented cars, discovered electricity, build the great
      kingdoms that have left their mark on civilization.”

      Women worked 7 days a week for men for no pay. They were slaves given no
      money for their work.
      How many inventions did the black slaves create. Please quote me some
      examples of while being imprisoned as slaves, black men managed to invent
      things and do all their own housework etc.

      In many countries women are not even allowed an education. They are
      prevented by violent methods.

      Men have achieved a great deal having female slaves to do all the cooking
      cleaning etc and they have used oppression. I.e Deliberate keeping women
      without money, forcing them into marriage etc and even violence to stop
      them achieving at school. Then simply giving all opportunities to other
      men.

      Even here in NZ we have bought back external exam’s to gain the “NZCA”
      qualification. When I was young the certificates were called “School
      certificate” and “University entrance” etc. Strange that students never got
      their papers sent back to them so they could compare their results and be
      sure of fair marking. Boys always did better when we had these external
      examinations then when the system changed to internal assessments

      [including local school exams where everyone got their papers back] girls started to do
      better.

      in the years when e I was at school the external exam results were often graded up or down,
      if afterthe exam was sat if it was the paper was more of less difficult than usual. But students
      never saw the papers again after sitting. You could request a recount. I’m not sure if they

      In standard 4 I was told I got the second highest mark in the school for a

      reading and comprehension test. The next year I was dumped into the class

      for the students who were not very bright. I was not a swat though and my

      attendance was poor.

      I was bullied right through the 1st form at intermediate school, then went

      to college and the bullying continued in the 3rd and 4th form at school. In

      the 5th form this ended where all the classes were no longer streamed the

      bullying ended. But then I suddenly came down with a mystery illness which

      kept me away from school a lot. While desperate because terrible exhaustion

      and muscle pain, the doctors said they couldn’t find a cause for my

      condition so they decided I must have a mental problem.

      I always knew their was nothing wrong with my mind.

      This condition then called ME [now chronic fatigue syndrome] in NZ is

      called Radio Frequency sickness in Russia.

      In the west we have had radio broadcasts from the early 1900’s.

      Since that illness began I have barely felt well enough to even read a

      book.

      While trying to catch up at the last minute before the exams relative’s

      [uncle & school teacher wife] turned up and I had to spend ages cleaning

      because my mother never cleaned floor etc. So this took 2 weeks of my time

      just before exams leaving little time to catch up. I did my revising in bed

      because I was so ill. During the exams I felt incredibly ill and felt like

      my head was swimming.

      I still passed but not nearly as well as I would have under normal

      circumstances.

      My younger sister was top of her school for some subjects. At that point a

      campaign of bullying started against her.
      When when exams loomed she was confined to her bed with a mystery illness

      and had to leave school.

      We used to have what were called special classes at school in those days

      for students who were were mentally disabled. Thinking back those students

      were probably the most physically unattractive looking children in the

      school.

      One day in college i saw a handsome boy who I had admired taunting a boy

      from one of those classes. I immediately told him to leave that boy alone.

      After seeing what the good looking boy was doing I no longer felt any

      admiration for him just anger and disgust.

      A couple of years later that boy committed suicide or so we were told.
      I hope he is in a better place than this. To me those who made him so

      unhappy are ugly. Their deeds are ugly indeed.

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      1. After I First posted this comment It didn’t show up for ages. After about an hour it was still not showing so I edited it in word and re-posted it.

        Now it seems both first and second postings are showing. Please read the second posting as it is a bit clearer.

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    2. My grandmother in the beginning of the 19th century milked cows [biked or walked?] 7 miles a day each way to school but she still managed to top her whole region for her school “Matriculation” exams. Yes she beat all the boys. In those days she was not allowed to go to university and ended up as a domestic slave to her husband till he got another woman pregnant and she left her husbands farm.
      My father used to tell me that boys were smarter than girls yet it was his mother not him who topped the region in Exams.

      “It was men who invented cars, discovered electricity, build the great kingdoms that have left their mark on civilization.”

      Women worked 7 days a week for men for no pay. They were slaves given no money for their work.

      How many inventions did the black slaves create. Please quote me some examples of while being imprisoned as slaves and working 6 days pre week black men managed to invent things and do all their own housework etc.

      In many countries women are not even allowed an education. They are prevented by violent methods.
      Men have achieved a great deal having female slaves to do all the cooking cleaning etc and they have used oppression. I.e. Deliberately keeping women without money, forcing them into marriage etc and even violence to stop them achieving at school. Then simply giving all opportunities to other
      men.

      Here in NZ we have bought back external exam’s to gain the “NZCA” qualification. When I was young the certificates were called “School certificate” and “University entrance” etc. Strange that students never got their papers sent back to them so they could compare their results and be
      sure of fair marking. Boys always got the top results when we had these external examinations.

      Then when the system changed to internal assessments including local school exams where everyone got their papers back] girls started to do better.

      When I was at school and sat the external exams, they had an obscure system where the exam results would be graded up or down supposedly based on a later decision [after the exam had been sat] that the exam was more or less difficult. I didn’t see this happening in any internal exams.

      But students never saw their papers again . You could request a recount for a hefty fee but I don’t remember if they would then return your paper.
      It was 1976 and i think the cost of a recount for 1 subject was about $30 so for 5 subjects the cost was approx. $150. I earned about $30 per week at the local supermarket restocking shelves in the school holidays. You can see they didn’t want to make it easy for students to compare results or look over each others examination marking.

      There was a lot of male anger when the system went to an internally assessed system as the boys had always done better than the girls using that system but not in internal assessment where students could scrutinize and compare results.

      In standard 4 [at primary school] I was told I got the second highest mark in the school for a reading and comprehension test. The next year I was dumped into the class for the students who did not do as well as other students.

      I was bullied right through the 1st form at intermediate school, then went to college and the bullying continued in the 3rd and 4th form at school. In the 5th form this ended where all the classes were no longer streamed .the bullying ended. Next I came down with a mystery illness which kept me away from school a lot. While desperate because terrible exhaustion

      and muscle pain, the doctors said they couldn’t find a cause for my condition so they decided I must have a mental problem.
      I always knew their was nothing wrong with my mind.

      This condition then called ME [now chronic fatigue syndrome] in NZ is called Radio Frequency sickness in Russia.

      In the west we have had radio broadcasts from the early 1900’s. Since that illness began I have barely felt well enough to even read more than a couple of books as reading exhausts me

      While trying to catch up at the last minute before my University entrance exams the relative’s [uncle & school teacher wife] turned up [they almost never came to visit us] and I had to spend ages cleaning because my mother never cleaned floor etc. So this took 2 weeks of my time just before exams leaving little time to catch up. They stayed a week and were planning to stay longer until I asked my father to get them to leave so i could concentrate on studying for my exams which were coming up in about a weeks time I did my revising in bed because I was so ill. During the exams I felt incredibly ill, like my head was swimming.

      I still passed but not nearly as well as I would have under normal circumstances.

      My younger sister was top of her school for some subjects. At that point a campaign of bullying started against her.
      When exams loomed she was confined to her bed with a mystery illness and had to leave school.

      We used to have what were called special classes at school in those days for students who were were mentally disabled. Thinking back those students were probably the most physically unattractive looking children in the school.

      One day in college i saw a handsome boy who I had admired taunting a boy from one of those classes. I immediately told him to leave that boy alone. After seeing what the good looking boy was doing I no longer felt any admiration for him just anger and disgust.

      Several years later that handicapped boy committed suicide or so we were told. I hope he is in a better place than this. To me those who made him so unhappy are ugly. Their deeds are ugly indeed.

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    3. This is so badly written it’s not even worth trying to respond. You really do need to read a book – especially one on critical thinking, and perhaps something about essay writing. It might make your points more rational and connected.

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      1. Toni you are a horrible person and understand very well that I am a victim of electronic torture. You know this affects a persons abilities of all types. I find it very hard to even look after myself because of life long torture by greedy nasty creeps. I have been stupified by the Radio Frequency network and I know the article is pretty bad however at least Im not viscous. How many natural women have been tortured covertly killed to make way for a large population of Transgenders on the earth. Please excuse me if I seem insensitive to them.
        Please excuse me if slavers torturers and murderers repulse me.

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    4. Is your argument that women did not invent enought at time they could not study at universities?Really?

      Well, prime example of critical and logical thinking, is it not? Actually, it was proven that measured intelligence depends on social circumstances and in countries, where women were given same educational opportunities as men, they scored in tests equally. Look at Germany, after WW2, there surely were not that many men around (maybe cause they are so logical and better at everything) so women played a great role in getting that country back on its feet.

      So no, men are NOT better. They are DIFFERENT. No one say we need to be the same and both genders are necessary for humanity to continue, so why the need to argue who is better?

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      1. “So no, men are NOT better. They are DIFFERENT”

        The minute you start saying this men will grab this to limit women opportunities and take all for them selves. Yes we are different but that shouldn’t allow men to use us for free domestic labour or refuse to allow us into areas such as media etc. Seems all the women in our parliaments and the media are actually transgenders so genetically natural XX women have no real representation. The only group on earth to have no one representing them. We can therefore be forced into whatever roles, those who control governments [Men & Transgenders] want.
        I do not believe transgenders in parliament represent me. I have no representation. It would appear the great female success stories are all Transgenders. There has never been any real equality only a group of privileged transgenders who in the past masqueraded as genuine women.

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  12. Also, there is a conception that women at large want “gentlemen”. Just like men want the most beautiful and most healthy (therefore most able to have healthy offspring; it is not well known that natural beauty and strength go together for the most part), women want the toughest strongest fittest and smartest men (who will make the most healthy offspring). It’s in humans DNA to ensure survival. This means that in a primitive society, the men and women keep getting stronger and fitter as time goes on. Seems good, right? And this is why we have a problem.

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  13. Well unfortunately there are so many very horrible low life loser women everywhere nowadays that really think their very much all that because of feminism, and i have met these type of very pathetic women already unfortunately as well. And the ones that have their so called careers today making their six figure salary, who the hell cares what you women really make anyway which i could care less. It is these type of women that have really destroyed the dating scene altogether now for many of us men too since they’re very much too blame to begin with as it is. These type of women just have no respect for us men anymore, and they have the nerve too blame us men for their problems too. And there are many of us very good innocent men out there that Don’t play head games at all like most of you single women are doing these days since many of us are really looking for a serious relationship now. And unfortunately no matter how very nice many of us men are, which it still isn’t good enough for you women at all either. At least most women in the past thank God weren’t at all like today since they were very much different than you very awful women now. It is very obvious why so many of us men are still single today, especially with these kind of very troubled women around now more than ever. Get a life already since the great majority of you women will just end up growing very old all alone with your pet cats sitting in your rocking chairs anyway when your time comes.

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  14. Oh let me see. I lived with a male once. He Tortured me with his cell phone. A few years ago a woman told me that a lot of men were now doing house work because they were widows. How creepy is that.
    Oh I wonder why women do not want to marry you??

    Women that earn 6 figure salaries will be Transgenders not regular XX women. The female politicians, the media women etc all earn big bucks but they are not XX women. They are genetically male.
    I would choose a 6 figure salary over a man any day. I’d be able to afford to pay someone a good wage for doing my house work. Oh what a disgusting woman I am. At least I’d be willing to pay good money for it unlike most men who want it for free or dirt cheap.

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      1. I like non sexist men. Once I find out a man believes in or benefits from sexism [free housekeeping services and all money kept for himself] my admiration for him is gone and therefore any attraction I might otherwise feel is also gone. I cannot help but dislike a person who steels another persons life. Works them 7 days per week without holidays etc, refuses to share financial benefits with their partner??, refuses to pay them and assumes daily control of their life. Share equally or pay for the services provided to you and you will have my respect.

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  15. The quotes below are from an older comment.

    https://victimfocus.wordpress.com/2018/08/04/why-i-dont-want-to-become-equal-to-men/comment-page-3/#comment-7916

    “Because nobody should want to control anybody.”

    I wholeheartedly agree with that one.

    ” Same goes for the men. Let’s see why would I be afraid of a radical feminist in power”

    OK I am a radical feminist. This is one thing I would do to you if i were in power.

    Firstly I would revolutionize household services. Healthy meals made at cost and delivered to your door or provided in community meal centers where you could also get some good company. No MacDonald’s and all food can be overseen by the community. Laundry services at cost. Again the systems would have to be ultra modern and economical. I have a lot of systems and inventions dreamed up and I’m sure other people also have ideas.

    For couples they could get the bulk of housework done at very very cheap affordable rates.

    So the remainder of housework can be shared by couples easily. Both men and women could then have a life with no need to oppress anyone to get what each person wants.

    Men could stay single, have a demanding career and still get a hotel lifestyle cheap and so could women.

    I would ensure no group got the upper hand over another group financially or in other areas [ Males, Females Blacks, Whites, Asian etc etc] There may be areas that some groups would dominate simply because of their choices and participation numbers but i would keep an eye on it and there would be systems for sorting it and keeping a balance.

    So how scary are radical feminists. I am one. I radical feminist would look after everyone equally. Feminism is about fairness which women do not get in our world so why would we want unfairness as that only causes fighting.

    That’s is one reason marriage has been a battle ground for a long time.

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  16. some of these comments scare me. i honestly wonder if some people have even read the post before commenting on here because most of the comments are just further proving her point that women should not strive to be the same as men. some of the things being commented of here are disgusting, why would we ever want to be anything like that?
    but thank you for this article, it is inspiring and truly needed in today’s society. it sends a brilliant message and i am very grateful for reading it.

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    1. In your dream women should strive to be financially imprisoned and therefore domestically enslaved to men. Lets be honest Traditional gender roles are Master slave roles. That is incredibly scary to women once the propaganda wears off. It is hideous. I believe life is short to break up power structures and situations that would be intolerable if they continued longer than they actually do. The example I’m thinking of is marriage. You wouldn’t want to be a wife for longer than 1 short lifetime. In fact you wouldn’t want to be a wife at all. i don’t know what happens to us after our physical body comes to an end but assholes like men and their Transgender lackeys will have no power over women or anyone else at that point. Hopefully you will have to pay all your unpaid debts to people you neglected to pay here on earth. i.e. your wife [slave].

      To know who you really are is to despise you.

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  17. Guys: women want all the power. Give it to them, whilst remembering Camille paglias most famous quote. The best way to cure feminism, is to let them have what they want. And then walk away and create our own masculine based communities away from them, and importantly, share nothing. Except with your brothers.
    Ladies: this article has masses of projection, a pinch of overgeneralisation, and total condescension(which I now gladly return). I will not tell feminists or women generally how to do things, stop forcing nonsense on us. And be assured, you understand nothing about men, and have no right to tell us how to be men. Any more than I can tell you how you should be as a woman. Any guy who does that is an asshat, don’t give them the time of day. And if you keep doing it, expect decent men to keep walking away, taking all their resources with them.

    Thx

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      1. It is a different thing to ask you not to infringe on us.
        You can do what you wish in your own life. Just leave men alone. You clearly want us to do the same for you.

        My life is no business of yours unless I allow you to be a part of it. Me asking you not to infringe on me is not infringing on you. In fact this seems to be what YOU want. If I harm you, then feel free to come after me.

        But your life is YOUR problem not mine. You are an adult. Create your own resources stop taking mens. And stop forcing your way into male spaces. We’re not spending our time plotting to oppress you amongst ourselves. Hate to break it to you, but men have better things to do. Sad people like incels are a minority

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    1. “And if you keep doing it, expect decent men to keep walking away, taking all their resources with them”

      That is how men control women. They now have almost complete control of the earths resources.

      In the wild females do not have to beg the males for resources. They forage freely [ No Land Ownership ] and carnivorous females compete for game.

      The resources of the earth are actually meant for both male and female genders and the young.

      Men can now block female access to those resources and use that as a method to demand anything at all from the female of our species. That is not how god [whatever created us] created it.

      Men talk about women who use the social welfare system that many women rely on just for food etc like its benefactors [largely women] are bludgers. At the same time Male governments try to enforce 24 hour child care but refuse to pay women for their time, making work and living outside marital slavery near impossible for many mothers.

      Women have nothing approaching equality.

      Male governments want to free up land for the animals. Both male and female animals will have access to that land.

      Why cant they give land to human females?

      Because men treat human females worse than they treat animals.

      Men gain a lifestyle of luxury by having human females [the most capable females on earth] as domestic slaves.

      No other creature on earth is capable of supplying them with their Hotel life style of luxury.

      And how have men attained control of the world assets. Enslaving the female of the species has given them a massive advantage.

      So how much money do they owe us for unpaid work? I think you will find that is they paid us for our labor women not men would control the worlds assets. So they have assumed their status of controllers of the worlds resources based on female slavery.

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  18. We are fine with you having all you want. But keep your hate and bitterness to yourselves. I am 43. I, and most men my age and younger, don’t seek to hold you back from anything. Therefore we OWE YOU NOTHING.
    We were brought up in a world where independence and autonomy for women was to be accepted. I do accept it. Most of us do.

    You demand the right for femininity to be self defined by women, yet you attack masculinity, as if it is only negative, and tell us how to be men. Get lost. I don’t tell you how to be women. Most guys I know dont do this.

    The statistical likelihood of partner violence is somewhat higher in lesbian couples by the way.

    I especially love how male guilt is collectivise by feminists and female guilt is individualised. A number of men go on a rape spree, and it is “indicative of a general flaw in male nature”; female teachers sexually abuse 13 year old pupils and it is that woman who is a predator and this isn’t a reflection on all women(I agree). But look at the former example. My word, you are hypocrites.

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  19. “Why I don’t want women to become ‘equal to men’”

    That’s like a black Slave saying they want to remain a slave. Can you imagine them saying that. I don’t think so unless someone was pointing a gun at them or otherwise threatening their survival.

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  20. The problem men have is your hypocrisy…if you want to see violence against a partner, Google Jordan Worth. If you want to see a sexual predator Google Vanessa George. Most women would never do the things these women have. Neither would MOST men do these things to women.

    We are sick of you judging us by a minority made up of sickos and psychopaths who happen to be the same gender.

    Until you are willing to get off the high horse and take a look at yourselves, you have no right to judge us. And you wonder why Mgtow exists. I can’t blame them, even if they do attract some unfortunate types.
    No wonder you don’t want equality. That would mean being held to the same standard of responsibility. Men can be rapists, so can women.
    Men can be pedofiles, so can women. Men can be spouse abusers, so can women.
    What’s the difference, you do nothing like the same sentence, if you go to jail at all. I call that actual sexism. And if it was my child being abused, you can be assured I would treat that woman the SAME as a man if I ever caught her …

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  21. I like your article.
    the fact that the patriarchy /society has created systems that prevent people male and female from getting what they want is true. the law creation …well yes men made it, but can you prove that they made it just for themselves or like current laws and system where we have people represent people.
    in the UK it was a “household” representation ,traditionally the “man” of the home votes for the house . his means that the eldest son of 23, or the butler could not vote either ,as it was one per household . this would be for general elections and polls and referendums. people acting on behalf of other people ,much like politicians currently represent an area /constituency. so the system/ patrearcy has just adapted and included more girls , which it did have girls in it,and it excluded many men.
    the idea that male society in it’s current form is not the pinnacle is something we can all agree on.
    However the way in how many men ,just ,like many women ,feel oppressed and left out of the loop.
    at present society feels like it is reaching a more social norm between masculine behaviours and feminine behaviors. this is causing strain on both sides, but not the middle. people who are very feminine are being made to feel pressured to be more “feminist and liberated” where as masculine men are also being made to feel as if “their role and existence is no longer needed” .notice the diffrence…
    One side promotes changing of one’s self. the other is a societal peer pressured (mass) execution/ suicide.
    this is the fight on both sides of feminism.

    one is a personal rejection (feminine side )
    the other is a fight to survive (masculine side)

    Now you can see why people act the way they do.

    (I apologize, as it is hard to explain,and thus understand )

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  22. Read the scum manifesto by Valerie Solanas or Gloria Steinem’s wonderful pieces and then tell me feminism is good for me too.

    “We need to reduce men to 10 percent of their current population”
    Now tell me this isn’t your kind of feminism. No, it is red blooded full fat feminism. Properly done.

    The best trick feminism played was to make the average woman treat “feminism” and “equality” as synonyms. To any women reading, please, for the love of reason, look at what the founding mothers and current leaders have actually said and done.
    I am for equality. Feminism is not.

    And finally, stop telling us how to be men. You have no right. If we harm you, then do what you have to, but most of us don’t and won’t ever seek to hurt you. A normal man’s instinct is protective, not harmful. Don’t judge us by maladjusted predators.

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